Tuesday, July 23, 2013

noun vs. verb in haiku

noun vs. verb in haiku

July 7, 2013 at 9:00pm
Naoki Kishimoto An Interview by Robert D. Wilson Translation by Kishimoto Naoki with co-translators, Robert Wilson and Emiko Miyashita RW: Mr. Kishimoto, your writing style is known for its simplicity. Tell me more about it and the journey you took to develop it. KN: I try to write haiku using a minimum of adjectives and verbs. For me, the ideal haiku is one without verbs. A haiku consisting of nouns is my ultimate goal. Adjectives and verbs make haiku loud and talkative. If I can compose a haiku with a minimum of nouns, the better. The haiku then becomes simple, steady, and robust. After examining my haiku repeatedly, and discussing them with my haiku friends, I have concluded that the most powerful force of haiku originates in its simplicity. If I select the nouns properly, use few adjectives, and rarely use verbs, the style of haiku becomes simpler and simpler.Like · · Unfollow Post · June 10 at 6:02am

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  • Rosie Mann Thanks Ranjit ! Yes , simpler the work , better the effect !June 10 at 6:08am · Like · 4
  • Dalvir Gill Yeah, many have expounded the ideas of Imagist Poets, who were the first to adopt Haiku in America. Wrote Basho:“Haikai has three elements: Sekibaku ( 1. loneliness; desolation2. lonely; lonesome; dreary; desolate; deserted3. harsh (words); cutting (criticism)4. to separate in thought; to consider as independent ) is its mood. While having fine dishes and beautiful women, one finds true joy in humble solitude. Furyu ( "elegance" or "artistic". ) is its quality. While dressed in brocaded silks and satins, one does not forget those who are wrapped in woven straw. Fukyo ( 1.Communal recitation of sūtras in Zen monasteries. 2. Rich & Piwerfull 3. announce, proclaim, inform 4. Economical, 5.>> Undecaying, indestructible, Incorruptible ) is its language. One's language should stem from loneliness and represent the substance of things. It is very difficult to stay with the substance of things while joining in emptiness. These three elements don't imply that a person who is 'low' aspires to the high, but rather that a person who has attained the high perceives through the low.”June 10 at 5:07pm · Like · 3
  • Dalvir Gill from Wilson's "To Kigo or Not To Kigo : The future of haiku in English is the same as the future of Haiku in Japanese. Unless its march away from the heart and truth of haiku abates, it will cease to exist. If Basho, Buson, Chiyo-ni, or Issa were alive today, used an unknown pen name, and could write in English, their haiku would possibly be rejected by in-print and online journals. With their rejection notices would be the usual neo-intellectual advice such as: Personification is not allowed. Metaphors should be used sparingly if at all. Your haiku sounds too Japan-like. Join an online workshop and get some experience under your belts. The word you call a kigo is not a true kigo.June 10 at 10:43pm · Like · 3
  • Sarbjit Singh ਹਾਇਕੂ ਆਪਦਾ ਪਿਆਰ ਹੈ ....ਕਿੰਨਾ ਔਖਾ ਹੈ ਪ੍ਰਭਿਸ਼ਤ ਕਰਨਾ..June 10 at 10:48pm · Like
  • Harki Jagdeep Virk Thnx Sra ji, but lokk hamesha aaukha dikaun di talash ch rahnde ne..June 11 at 7:51am via mobile · Like · 1
  • Ranjit Singh Sra thanks dear friends !!June 11 at 1:10pm · Like
  • Surmeet Maavi Thanks Dalvir bhaji, Sra saab.June 13 at 7:13am via mobile · Like · 1
  • Swaran Singh This post - and the responses - have given me a lot to think about. Thank you.June 13 at 10:39am via mobile · Like · 1
  • Harki Jagdeep Virk Sra bhaji ussdi website Simply Haiku te dekhiyo ikk aadha ihho jiha ke massa ikk noun te Dalvir bhaji kahnde ke uhh kahnda ke haiku noun ja drsh based nahi activity based hai, do check it n tell us whats really going on.. Thnx dono bhajis!June 13 at 3:11pm via mobile · Like · 1
  • Ranjit Singh Sra ਉੱਪਰ ਵਾਲੇ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਨਾਓਕੀ ਕਿਸ਼ੀਮੋਤੋ ਦੇ ਹਨ|Naoki Kishimoto (1961- ) was born in Okayama Prefecture. Inspired by Ryunosuke Akutagawa's haiku, he began writing haiku in junior high school. As a student at Tokyo University, he joined haiku groups led by Tetsuo Kosada, Akito Arima, and Seison Yamaguchi.He won the Shinjinsho ("New Voice") Award from the Association of Haiku Poets (Haijin Kyokai) in 1995. He has published three haiku collections, Keito ("Cockscomb," 1986), Shun (name of an ancient Chinese king, 1994), and Kentan ("Healthy Appetite," 1999), as well as two books of essays on haiku. He is a leading member of the Ten'i ("Providence"), Yane ("Roof"), and Yu haiku groups. His writing, following the traditional style, is known for its simplicity and plainness.June 13 at 10:44pm · Like · 1
  • Harki Jagdeep Virk Okke. Okke my bad, I got it now RW n KN .. Thnx my over stuffed mind exchanged RW with KN thnx!June 14 at 2:53am via mobile · Like · 1
  • Dalvir Gill Hey Harki, now you are going to find Naoki Kishimoto the culprit for using verbs ) in some of his works, shared at the end of the same interview : Kishimoto Naoki Te wo tsuke te Umi no tsumetaki Sakura kanaAs I dip my handThe coolness of the seaCherry blossomsMushishigure Neko wo tsukame ba atatakakiCrickets singing like rain:Catching a catCatching the warmnessHito yukite sukoshi Nai aru Aki no YowaAfter he passed awayA slight earthquakeAutumn nightHachi wo kaku shidai ni Cho ni nite kitaruI'm drawing a bee . . .The bee becomes more and moreLike a butterflyHaka ni Kao araba to omou Nowake kanaI wonder how itMight be if a face were on a tombstoneIn an autumn stormYakiimo no Yuge mite toru TodaijiLooking at the steamFrom a baked sweet potatoI pass the Todaiji TempleJune 14 at 5:57am · Like · 2
  • Surmeet Maavi Dalvir bhaji, for me it clearly proves Basho's point to be most valuable --- "Forget all the rules."But definitely, before that, we must 'learn all the rules'. June 14 at 6:41am via mobile · Like · 2
  • Dalvir Gill Surmeet, You understand what he meant by "Forgetting". The first thing today is not to just Learn but stay away from the wrong rules. "Study Classical Haiku, not merely essays on them."June 14 at 10:28am · Edited · Like · 3
  • Surmeet Maavi I'm trying to understand it, actually. 'Forgetting', for me, is a stage when these rule don't stay with you as 'rules' you have to take reference of everytime you see the things. They become an integral part of your totality rather. You don't use your mind. You 'are' the mind. And, this process of 'trying to understand that point' is itself such a blissful experience.June 14 at 6:54am via mobile · Unlike · 3
  • Surmeet Maavi As a haijin, I don't create anything. I can't. 'Zauka' is in continuous process of creativity. I just witness this process, feel touched and share my experience with others. That's what I've so far come to know. Trying to get in harmony with this process...June 14 at 7:16am via mobile · Like · 3
  • Dalvir Gill ‘Go to the pine if you want to learn about the pine, or the bamboo if you want to learn about the bamboo. And in doing so, you must leave your subjective preoccupation with yourself. Your poetry issues of its own accord when you and the object have become one—when you have plunged deep enough into the object to see something like a hidden glimmering there. However well-phrased your poetry may be, if the object and yourself are separate—then your poetry is not true poetry but a semblance of the real thing.’ of course, Basho!June 14 at 7:24am · Like · 3
  • Harki Jagdeep Virk These r the great discussions for coming days. To make it simple, all my good friends who are reading everyday about the different masters, plz come to a conclusion and right down a message for all haijins that what is require to do ultimately to write...See MoreJune 14 at 10:30am via mobile · Like
  • Sarbjit Singh Learn as much you can ...but lovoe is a grace and masters were born with..June 14 at 10:43am via mobile · Like

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